Unvailed adrenal insufficency after starting Thyroid.

[marsaday1971]

i start the day with good cortisol and it is lowest at noon. so i thought i would try max dose at this time.

i have taken 20mg today now and i feel a bit more balanced.

taking 10mg at noon today made no difference so i am going to look into dosing 4 times a day as opposed to 3. = 7.5/5/5/2.5

i think my body needs small and often doses.

[wondering]

Dosing should follow optimal normal rhythm..i think you will get better results if largest dose is 1st. But do not go over 10mg at one time.

10mg
5mg
2.5mg
2.5mg

And then stick with it... do NOT change every other day..Your body needs regular support not to be jerked around every other day. You will have good days and bad days, but Adrenals take time...I needed over a year to get really better, so dont exxpect it to be a in a week and then switch things up cause it didnt happen in a week.

Give it a chance.

Originally Posted by marsaday1971

i start the day with good cortisol and it is lowest at noon. so i thought i would try max dose at this time.

i have taken 20mg today now and i feel a bit more balanced.

taking 10mg at noon today made no difference so i am going to look into dosing 4 times a day as opposed to 3. = 7.5/5/5/2.5

i think my body needs small and often doses.

[marsaday1971]

I didn't know why i became ill again this week and so i had to change something. before that i was doing 10/5/5. however i play sport and i know i will stress my adrenals, so it is a fine balance between dosing correctly and exercise.

i feel much better today and am taking 22.5mg now. i am doing this 7.5/7.5/5/2.5. i think the last dose at 8pm is good for me. Also i think my adrenals prefer smaller doses and so 7.5mg is the max for me.

I have really gotten well in the last week since going up to 3 grains. i am holding for the next 3 weeks now and i may increase again.

I am getting more knowledgeable all the time.

[wondering]

Be careful with exercise intensity. Going up on Thyroid caan be a strain at first. Hold on that HC dose and see how you do...it may be your sweet spot. 25mg was for me, but we are all different. Even though 25mg was good for me, still look LONG time to get better.

I would also recommend a good multivitamin and maybe some extra Vitamin C every now and then...thats good for your adrenals.

Are you gonna get other hormones tested now while on HC and Thyroid? DHEA may be low, that is an easy one if so.

Originally Posted by marsaday1971

I didn't know why i became ill again this week and so i had to change something. before that i was doing 10/5/5. however i play sport and i know i will stress my adrenals, so it is a fine balance between dosing correctly and exercise.

i feel much better today and am taking 22.5mg now. i am doing this 7.5/7.5/5/2.5. i think the last dose at 8pm is good for me. Also i think my adrenals prefer smaller doses and so 7.5mg is the max for me.

I have really gotten well in the last week since going up to 3 grains. i am holding for the next 3 weeks now and i may increase again.

I am getting more knowledgeable all the time.

[marsaday1971]

basal temp 97.8! never been so high, but i did wake at 11am, so that may be why. a good sign though.

i take vit c, magnesium, potassium, sea salt.

i was taking dhea 25mg a day, but i came out in spots 3 weeks ago. so stopped taking it. the spots went 8 days later. not sure if i should start again on them.

i know the testosterone level will be low on the hc as i had it tested last time on it.

i am reading the stres effect by weinstein and this is a good read.

[marsaday1971]

still stable an well. very happy as i know i have cracked this adrenal/thyroid mystery. i am managing to play sport and keep well the nest day. that last 2.5mg of hc has made a big difference.

[MetalMX]

Has anyone had a smell and taste loss or reduced sensation due to adrenal issues?

This is really annoying. It just makes you enjoy food a lot less.

My temps are up and down but a little bit more stable with HC even though it is a miniscule 5mg. I have been using Dr rinds metabolic chart. They aren't up and down by .2 tenths more like a degree or more lol...

Im still experiencing energy, appetite and stomach issues mostly.

With HC did it actually improve your physique? Or if say someone had severe adrenal fatigue would they have to go through a little bit of weight gain to see improvement in the general body and temps with HC use.

What happened to your body marsaday when you first started using HC? What did you notice?

[marsaday1971]

your temps show adrenals are not working and 5mg of hc is nothing. you could go on 10mg straight away, say 5/2.5/2.5 per day. When i first did hc 5mg affected me straight away, but i needed 15mg to work properly after a while. i was on 2 grains then.

now i am on 3 grains and need 22.5mg. i really think i am fully better, but want to push into going hyperT ever so slightly. this will then show you what your optimum dose is.

since 3 grains i have really started to loose the fat around the stomach. i was never fat, it was just a covering i could never get rid of. i wasnt interested in dieting or exercising to get rid of it as i realised it was nothing to do with that. now it is goingthough, it is a good feeling.

hc has never put any weight on to me by the way. but getting balanced has meant my muscles are getting bigger. couple this with less fat and i am starting to look good again - so the good lady says

i cannot tell you if hc or thyroid are responsible for this change because one their own i dont think i could get balanced. however, i do think the thyroid hormones are the main driver to getting well. i do know this because i stopped taking my armour autumn of 08 and became really ill 3 mths later (even though i was on hc). i also increased from 15mg to 25/30mg thinking this is what i needed to do to get well again. it didnt work because what i needed most was the thyroid hormones.

[MetalMX]

My doctor thinks i have irritable bowel syndrome causing my symptoms. I am about to do a lactose intolerance stool test and coeliac gene test since these foods trigger worsening of symptoms for me. Most of my symptoms are digestive and fatigue related. Premature ejaculation, low sex drive and muscle weakness being the others.

But then again this could be due to adrenals and resolve when i add more HC to my thyroid meds. I will just keep tracking temps and monitoring symptoms and see how i go. Food allergies cause adrenals to crash even worse so no wonder the above foods make me worse when i get on enough HC i would probably be able to tolerate these foods again in moderation. Marsaday do you have any food intolerance/digestive issues with gluten/diary?

I have that exact same problem with fat around the stomach area it is so so easy to gain and i am always following a very healthy diet, exercising and never eating junk food. My body is on the lanky side and i still have this issue lol...

DAMN ADRENALS

Good info in this thread should be a sticky regarding adrenal/thyroid issues.

[marsaday1971]

ibs is an adrenal/thyroid symptom. i am not sure which is the main cause though. when i am not well i break wind a lot.

i dont have any food allergies that i know of, but i have been reading a good book on stress and the dr says a poor diet causes the bowl to inflame. this causes cortisol to rise and so cause these adrenal problems. my cortisol, however, was too low and so i dont think i have this problem.

still doing really well and my stomach muscles are really coming through. i havent changed anything with regards to diet and exercise. it is just the body working as it should.

my legs muscles are getting really strong now which is great. before, when unwell, my body just would not respond to any amount of training.

[MetalMX]

Originally Posted by marsaday1971

ibs is an adrenal/thyroid symptom. i am not sure which is the main cause though. when i am not well i break wind a lot.

i dont have any food allergies that i know of, but i have been reading a good book on stress and the dr says a poor diet causes the bowl to inflame. this causes cortisol to rise and so cause these adrenal problems. my cortisol, however, was too low and so i dont think i have this problem.

still doing really well and my stomach muscles are really coming through. i havent changed anything with regards to diet and exercise. it is just the body working as it should.

my legs muscles are getting really strong now which is great. before, when unwell, my body just would not respond to any amount of training.

Im constantly breaking wind. You're right IBS is a adrenal/thyroid problem.

How long have you been on Hydrocortisone?

I still need to get both thyroid and adrenals sorted. I am now only on synthetic T4 and T3 and this is driving up my SHBG big time mine is 140 (10-70). So i am looking to add ERFA thyroid to this which i will order or armour if i can get it and lower the Synthetic T4 dosage.

Is Armour still any good or what?

And are you only on Armour Thyroid?

You mentioned you're on 3 grains i assumed you meant Armour... I tried a compounded thyroid here in australia which is called Thyroid Extract and was using 80mg a day and my Free T4 and Free T3 we're in the lowest normal range almost out of range so i could've just been not taking enough but i wasn't working for me whatsoever once i switched to the Levo/Cytomel combo i felt 100 times better.

I will continue with these meds i am on and only add either ERFA or Armour as these are obviously still the best two thyroid meds on the market.

[marsaday1971]

ive been on hc since sep 09.

i use thyroid-s, not armour. erfa sounds the best and armour is no more i think, so stick with erfa.

i think you will need to balance your thyroid and adrenals. work on both and monitor how you go. only make one change at a time because you will have no idea what is helping you. i imagine you will want to be on hc first at a decent amount -say 15mg a day, then try upping the thyroid meds.

[marsaday1971]

not feeling good today and it is due to a switch in meds.

I have been using thiroyd from a canadian pharmacy. they are white tablets in a small white plastic container. today i have switched to thyroid-s from thailand (the brown tablet) and wondered if i should feel a difference between them at all.

i dont think i feel as good on the Throid-s and am a bit worried. is it normal to feel some differences and then you settle down again? i just notice my breathing isnt as free as yesterday.

[pmgamer18]

Only thing I can tell you is when you switch from one brand to the other you can fall low or go up to high. Going to high your heart rate and BP can go up and you will feel hyper falling low you feel down fatigue and this can shorten your breath. I would start taking your temps after your up 3 hrs 3x's a day every 3 hrs add them up and div. by 3 this is your avg. put this on a chart you can print off from this link.
http://www.drrind.com/therapies/meta...perature-graph

If your falling low your avg. temp will fall if your going to high your avg. temp will go up. Still you need to hold this dose for 6 to 8 weeks to do labs it takes this long to stabilize in your body. After your labs is your temps are low and you feel bad and your labs are low go up on the med no more then 30 mgs so your don't stress out your adrenals even more. Hold again and retest wash and repeat.

It is too bad we have to go through this crap with the FDA stopping Armour and the other Thyoud Co.'s can't keep up. If I were you I would get on ERFA.
http://www.erfa-sa.com/thyroid_usa.htm

People I talk to are doing much better on this then they did on the old Armour.

Originally Posted by marsaday1971

not feeling good today and it is due to a switch in meds.

I have been using thiroyd from a canadian pharmacy. they are white tablets in a small white plastic container. today i have switched to thyroid-s from thailand (the brown tablet) and wondered if i should feel a difference between them at all.

i dont think i feel as good on the Throid-s and am a bit worried. is it normal to feel some differences and then you settle down again? i just notice my breathing isnt as free as yesterday.

[marsaday1971]

I am doing better again and think i know why. thyroid-s has a hard coating so it acts as a slow release formula (so someone says) and so i have taken all 3 grains at 8am and feel fine.

fingers crossed all will be ok.

[MetalMX]

Just to update. It seems i had/have a chronic hidden infection which is causing my symptoms. It is either H.Pylori or something else my doctor isn't sure but since i had chronic gastritis diagnosed it is what could be causing the gastritis in the first place. But it is what is adding my adrenal issues if not causing them directly.

I kept having tingling in my throat, nausea, muscle weakness, malaise and fatigue, poor appetite, lack of taste and smell. gas etc...

But now i feel much better after using a course of herbal antibacterial supplements which have really seemed to helped.

Im about to do a hydrogen breath test for H.Pylori and a stool test if this comes back negative.

My temps now in the morning we're 36.2C, 36.4C. Still up and down though but if i can find out what exactly i have then i'm betting temps will go up and become stable.

I think a lot of people have adrenal issues but then their is sometimes a underlying cause as to why they are having these issues which can be fixed.

[MetalMX]

I doubt i have any infection now im just going to check for H.Pylori via a breath test. It is just that these GI symptoms are so annoying you would think you have something in your gut causing all this.

Im sure these are all adrenal issues. Im only on 5mg at the moment of HC and now going up. But i'm wondering about something HAN said does 10mg a day actually shut you down while your on that dose for a while or not?

Also ive noted that the STTM website has posted a new article on how to treat adrenals which is great:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com.../how-to-treat/

As HAN mentioned with adrenal issues you end up getting a pooling of thyroid in the bloodstream and you are feeling hyper (as i was) yet their is a deficiency in the tissues and this is taxing the adrenals so HC allows the thyroid to enter the cells and then you can add more thyroid as your adrenal function improves.

[MetalMX]

Right now im on 100mcg of T4 and 30 or 40mcg of T3. I need the T4 but i dont know how much i need and i'm feeling its going into reverse due to my symptoms.

Im probably on the equivalent of 2 grains.

What i want to know is - are the thyroid blood test ranges even that important?. I have spoken with another Dr which has told me it simply doesn't tell you what is happening at the cellular level when you could be having continuing hypothyroid symptoms.

[MetalMX]

I cannot even comprehend what someone is saying to me when i'm not on HC its unbelieveable. Not to mention the depression you feel, fatigue, not wanting to do anything yet i feel hyperactive. Now i can relax a little bit more and catch my breath.

So how long are people on HC... months? years? Till the adrenals start to heal.

My blood cortisol levels and ACTH we're normal but has anyone seen read or heard about anyone having normal blood levels yet they did a stim test and found out they had insufficiency? I am just curious about this because i did a stim test probably 1 and a half years ago which my endo said was normal but i didn't get the results then nor was i on thyroid hormone at that time for my hashimoto's.

[wondering]

I've been on HC for little over 2 years. I would say at least a year. I was on 25mg for a good year and half, then 20mg and now 15mg.

I would consider taking a good multivitamin and extra Vit. C.

Originally Posted by MetalMX

I cannot even comprehend what someone is saying to me when i'm not on HC its unbelieveable. Not to mention the depression you feel, fatigue, not wanting to do anything yet i feel hyperactive. Now i can relax a little bit more and catch my breath.

So how long are people on HC... months? years? Till the adrenals start to heal.

My blood cortisol levels and ACTH we're normal but has anyone seen read or heard about anyone having normal blood levels yet they did a stim test and found out they had insufficiency? I am just curious about this because i did a stim test probably 1 and a half years ago which my endo said was normal but i didn't get the results then nor was i on thyroid hormone at that time for my hashimoto's.

[MetalMX]

I have switched to ERFA thyroid and holy shit regardless of adrenal fatigue and low body temperature i feel completely different. Like a true energy i've never had is back in me as well as better mental functioning and many other little things which i just cant believe i already feel relief from only the first day on it. Once i get my low temps up after treating adrenals for a bit i will be even better, but i'm very happy right now.

Synthetics suck balls! ERFA kicks ass!!!

Can anyone tell me how long it took them for their temps to stabilize once they got on HC?. Obviously it cannot happen overnight and the fluctuations will remain till you are on at least a few weeks...

Im on 15mg of HC right now. 3 grains of ERFA. But temps still crash after taking thyroid to very low 35.3C.

[marsaday1971]

sounds like the higher hc is helping too.

not sure about my temps as i wasnt monitoring them when using the hc.

still doing really well on 3 1/2 grains and 25mg hc.

i big change has now been my hair !! i always thought i had shit hair because of male pattern baldness. i am not bald at all and have loads of hair, it is just poor quality and slow growing. this has changed in the last few weeks and it has got thicker, softer and is growing faster. i cannot believe this as i have had crap hair since 17 years old. so it must be the thyroid started to go wrong at this age and didnt hit me with physical symptoms until 21.

[MetalMX]

The difference is night and day with ERFA vs Synthetics for myself personally. But i am curious does anyone know what the T2 and T1 in dessicated thyroid actually do? They must be involved in something from what i have read is that they are involved in the breakdown of fat for energy.

[MetalMX]

HAN mentioned this which i have found benefit from is to add 10mcg of T3 morning and evening this itself has increased my temps a little bit and made me feel better likely by lowering RT3 which dose increase due to the adrenal issue that's for sure.

[MetalMX]

Has anyone had their testosterone levels tank while on HC?

On the STTM website it says some people experience muscle weakness while on HC and this is due to a declining testosterone level from the HC use.

All i know is that before i started HC i had muscle weakness and now it is not so bad it is actually improved and it mentions muscle weakness as a low cortisol symptom on the website.

[MetalMX]

Just to update everyone.

I couldn't get my temperaturs stable whatsoever on 20mg of HC they are always low. I looked on the STTM website about how low stomach acid production could be hindering results. Both in problems absorbing thyroid as well as adrenal medications.

So i switched doing my ERFA Sublingually and i added a HCL tablet with my HC dose. When i added One HCL tablet with 5mg of HC my temp went from 35.3 to 36.1C!!! Finally!. And i felt like 10 times better and suddenly really motivated. So now i will always do my HC with a Hydrochloric Acid tablet. I'll even be able to lower my HC dose and get better results. So if you're having subpar results with HC and using high doses and it's not working i recommend trying Betaine HCL with your HC doses trust me it will work.

[marsaday1971]

I had a wobble the other week and again it turned out to be low thyroid. i have increased 1/2 grain to 4 grains. feel fine again. however, i started to do some research into hc and low aldosterone. if high doses of hc are not having too much of an effect it could be due to low aldosterone.


anyway i am trialling a 1/4 dose of florinef to see if i need it. i pee a huge amount and i notice this has vastly reduced.

[MetalMX]

Originally Posted by marsaday1971

I had a wobble the other week and again it turned out to be low thyroid. i have increased 1/2 grain to 4 grains. feel fine again. however, i started to do some research into hc and low aldosterone. if high doses of hc are not having too much of an effect it could be due to low aldosterone.


anyway i am trialling a 1/4 dose of florinef to see if i need it. i pee a huge amount and i notice this has vastly reduced.

Ahhh ok yer im on 20mg of HC and notice less adrenal symptoms but felt much more hypo at times right now on 3 grains maybe i need 4 grains but my temperatures are still fluctuating. Would the temperatures be the be all end all of if your are on enough HC?

The thing i feel is tingling or goosebumps around my body and feeling very cold and cold hands and just feeling off. I don't know if that could be related to low aldosterone... any ideas if it is?

I might need to check my urine estrogen metabolites which HAN mentioned i should a few months ago which i never got around to it might be something that can keep a person hypo to some degree i feel as though i may be having low estrogen symptoms... like joint pain and sensitivity to bright lights

[MetalMX]

Originally Posted by MetalMX

Ahhh ok yer im on 20mg of HC and notice less adrenal symptoms but felt much more hypo at times right now on 3 grains maybe i need 4 grains but my temperatures are still fluctuating. Would the temperatures be the be all end all of if your are on enough HC?

The thing i feel is tingling or goosebumps around my body and feeling very cold and cold hands and just feeling off. I don't know if that could be related to low aldosterone... any ideas if it is?

I might need to check my urine estrogen metabolites which HAN mentioned i should a few months ago which i never got around to it might be something that can keep a person hypo to some degree i feel as though i may be having low estrogen symptoms... like joint pain and sensitivity to bright lights

What symptoms we're you experiencing exactly?

[marsaday1971]

Well i have stopped the florinef today. it was making physical things improve, but mentally i feel terrible. very quiet and low in mood. i dont know if it was my body getting used to it, but it affected me big time within a few hours of taking it.

i went with it at first, but i just cannot take this low mood. physically i noticed i was stronger playing sport. i wasnt sweating as much (because i sweat too much).

not sure what to do really. i will see how i balance out off it, but still feel pretty crap today.

anyone know why this has affected my mood so much ?

[MetalMX]

Im not sure why your moods weren't so good on Florinef. Maybe because it was messing with your electrolytes or other bodily functions in a negative manner.

What i have to say i am now off HC and my temps seem to have stabilized and i feel great. It seems as though i am experiencing "recovery of adrenal reserve" which i've read sometimes the adrenals can come back after HC use. I really feel good right now and so quick to do things its unbelieveable. I just hope this holds.

Although low but stable at 35.8C and 3 grains. Upon reading up on the site STTM low body temperature would be another "symptom" of hypo so i could slowly raise and see if temps increase. Ill keep you guys updated. I probably need more as i am a large structured person at 6"4 with big bones.

[wapf fan]

[quote=MetalMX;2558]Im constantly breaking wind. You're right IBS is a adrenal/thyroid problem.

I have abolished that same problem by one particular change in my diet. I soak all grains, nuts and seeds before eating them. Once I started doing that it was amazing. I used to always by the end of the day be so bloated up it was really uncomfortable. You can do an internet search for "soaking grains" and you will find the why and how for things like sourdough bread, oatmeal, rice, beans, nuts, pancakes etc. I think the fact that we don't do that anymore is one of the many reasons we are all so messed up. People did not used to eat grains prepared quicky the way we do now and we can't digest them without proper preparation and also our body can't absorb minerals properly unless we soak, ferment or sprout our grains. I highly recommend it. Oh, the other thing I changed was I cannot eat apples raw for the same reason and so I saute them first and eat with cream. Yum!

[Geno]

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[MetalMX]

I spoke too soon. Few days after i got off HC i started crashing.... mmm my adrenals are screwed.

On 3 grains and 15-20mg of HC i might even need to lower the thyroid dosage because my temps are still low. One thing i keep feeling is cold like chills or something goosebumps and they are coming from up my back too lol adrenals looks like i will need to be on for a while

[castrated]

Interesting thread...Im on 15mg HC day (10 upon waking and 5 in afternoon) but am thinking about bumping it up. On 7 grains of Armor Thyroid and dont feel a thing from it, never anxious or hyper, no anxiety, etc...and not dropping anymore bodyfat...

Earlier people were speaking about IBS, in the middle of what was probably my adrenal crash, my IBS type symptoms were so bad they were thinking I had chrons or colon cancer...it was bad...but no matter how many blood tests, endoscopies, and colonoscopy biopsies they did, could never find anything...I got medicated on so many digestive meds, anti biotics, etc over a 3 years period making me worse and worse, and thats at many different hospitals all adding to the misery...

Thankfully after about 6 months off all medications and doing all supplements and hormones instead, all of the IBS symptoms are gone...3-4 years of hell and being told I had a disease, 6 months of supplements and hormones and all that is gone...

So yea Id agree from my experience, that IBS like symptoms somehow go along with Adrenals crashing...as well I had recurrent upper respitory infections, which they back then said had nothing to do with the GI infections, and gave me additiional anti biotics...Id have "colds", severe head or chest infections, that would go on for 4-6 weeks, and come back in a short amount of time...

Im feeling so much better...just wish I could dial in why Im on so much thyroid and it doesnt seem to effect me, like if it was working wouldnt I at some point experience all this anxiety and hyper feelings people talk about, so Id know to back off the dose?

[marsaday1971]

how did you get to 7 grains? was it slow and steady, say increasing 1/2 grain every 2 weeks?

you may need the 7 grains. a woman i have heard about takes 16 !!

have you had blood tests to show where your ft3 and 4 is ? if they are high in the range then this says your dose is perfect for you.

what temps do you get in the morning on waking?

what is your HRate. if all is still the same as when you were on a lower dose then that is good. it really pays to monitor the body to see how increases affect you.

[MetalMX]

It really is hard to monitor.

When i first got on ERFA Thyroid i hit 36.8C or 96.8F ideal body temperature on 3 grains but soon after few days temps crashed. Now on 20mg of HC and temps are still low but feeling much better. Might need more HC to increase the temps. Interestingly enough they are highest in the morning after sleeping 36.0C but then during the day don't hold and go low.

I need the 3 grains to be in high normal range but then how much HC do i need 30mg? I don't know if that is too high or what do i risk suppression is one thing that concerns me.

One thing that is very noticeable i regularly see some eye floaters and know this is related to adrenal issues. Anyone else have this problem?

Light was also blinding me the suns lights in the morning and afternoon now on HC i dont even need glasses when driving down a road and the suns in my face haha.

[MetalMX]

Anymore updates on how people are going?

[marsaday1971]

i dont use the forum that often as not much is going on here, but i will post what has happened to me recently.

i hit another brick wall and felt pretty bad for a few days. i wasnt sure if it was cortisol or thyroid again. i raised to 4 1/2 grains and felt better for a week. then i felt ill again. so i raised again to 5 grains and i feel fine again. however, i dont know if this will last.

It may be my body is working through the thyroid hormones and wants more. it seems that way at the moment. it could be poor adrenals, but temps seem pretty good. when ill my basal did drop a lot to 36.2c (currently a near perfect 36.5C).

So doing ok, but been a bit shaken recently.